Comments on: Programming &stuff https://tariquesani.net/blog/2005/01/02/programming-stuff/ Pediatrician and a Forensic Expert. A passionate PHP geek. Currently CTO, SANIsoft. Also a photographer, bird watcher, nature lover and a FOSS enthusiast. Mon, 19 Sep 2016 13:33:04 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=4.5.3 By: tariquesani https://tariquesani.net/blog/2005/01/02/programming-stuff/#comment-1771 Mon, 03 Jan 2005 07:19:06 +0000 https://tarique.sanisoft.com/lj/?p=464#comment-1771 Re: Smalltalk…

Heh! I made it quite clear that I do not want programming M$ style – trial and error OR WYSIWYG IDEs 🙂

Like I said I wanted a language with a very low floor – something which a 7 year old can write and comprehend immediately like

REPEAT 4 [FORWARD 100 RIGHT 90]

I can ask him to do this using paper and pencil. I can evolve games around it. I can tell him that the statements which he wrote are called a program. He is learning to program knowing that he is learning to program – that is the attraction. He has enough interactive softwares and can handle computers well enough and has been doing it to the point of ennui

Programming is the next level – Dragging UI components and writing events is not he wants to do – that is as boring as creating a calendar using Pokemon Printshop or whatever.

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By: mayuresh https://tariquesani.net/blog/2005/01/02/programming-stuff/#comment-1770 Mon, 03 Jan 2005 05:49:23 +0000 https://tarique.sanisoft.com/lj/?p=464#comment-1770 Re: Smalltalk…

I know that your son is quite small, didn’t know his exact age though.

Tools evolve over time.
Logo was good in its time, Smalltalk evolved out of it based on a need to deliver something better.

Don’t jump directly into teaching your kid to program, let him learn it on his own.
For that the system has to be highly interactive and engaging.
That is something only Squeak can offer.

I would suggest that you purchase the DVD of theirs, its excellent stuff.

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By: tariquesani https://tariquesani.net/blog/2005/01/02/programming-stuff/#comment-1769 Mon, 03 Jan 2005 05:23:28 +0000 https://tarique.sanisoft.com/lj/?p=464#comment-1769 Re: Smalltalk…

Perhaps you do not know that my son is 7. I spent about 20 min on the above two sites tying to get a basic Hello World equivalent without any success.

I am sorry – the ceiling for Squeak might be high enough BUT surely the floo is not low enough.

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By: mayuresh https://tariquesani.net/blog/2005/01/02/programming-stuff/#comment-1768 Mon, 03 Jan 2005 01:29:55 +0000 https://tarique.sanisoft.com/lj/?p=464#comment-1768 Smalltalk…

I would suggest that you start him off on something more matured.
Expose him to Smalltalk, especially Squeak (https://www.squeak.org/).
It was designed for the kind of thing you are attempting to achieve.
Also check out https://www.squeakcentral.org/
I would recommend that you order the DVD that they have out there.

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By: tariquesani https://tariquesani.net/blog/2005/01/02/programming-stuff/#comment-1767 Sun, 02 Jan 2005 11:09:44 +0000 https://tarique.sanisoft.com/lj/?p=464#comment-1767 Thanks for the heads up on the books will definitely look them up

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By: tsk1979 https://tariquesani.net/blog/2005/01/02/programming-stuff/#comment-1766 Sun, 02 Jan 2005 08:12:49 +0000 https://tarique.sanisoft.com/lj/?p=464#comment-1766 wow!

I am hearing about logo after around 15 years. It was the first language i ever learnt. Guess it was 4th standard when i was 10 years old :). And it was on a PC XT i think or maybe the BBC computer.. cant really remember.

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By: bluesmoon https://tariquesani.net/blog/2005/01/02/programming-stuff/#comment-1765 Sun, 02 Jan 2005 06:07:07 +0000 https://tarique.sanisoft.com/lj/?p=464#comment-1765 I suggest you read Mindstorms and the Children’s machine, both by Seymour Papert – the guy who created logo. Also, I found ucblogo to be quite good. No IDE.

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